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	<title>Comments on: The Clog/Birgeneau Wishes Yoo a Happy Constitution Day</title>
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		<title>By: Beetle</title>
		<link>http://clog.dailycal.org/2007/09/17/the-clogbirgeneau-wishes-yoo-a-happy-constitution-day/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>Beetle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	&lt;p&gt;Ha!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy B.</title>
		<link>http://clog.dailycal.org/2007/09/17/the-clogbirgeneau-wishes-yoo-a-happy-constitution-day/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	&lt;p&gt;P.S. I&#8217;m sorry I called you John all this time, when you&#8217;re really Josh. My bad.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. I&#8217;m sorry I called you John all this time, when you&#8217;re really Josh. My bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy B.</title>
		<link>http://clog.dailycal.org/2007/09/17/the-clogbirgeneau-wishes-yoo-a-happy-constitution-day/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	&lt;p&gt;John C., you make a valid point that Congress does hold the power to deem things &#8216;necessary and proper,&#8217; but the gray area still needing to be defined is the degree to which something can be defined as such. &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;To that end, I still don&#8217;t think that just because a legislative body deemed something &#8216;necessary and proper&#8217; at one time that that decision was valid, necessary, or proper. &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;I&#8217;m not some flaming liberal here, but I think there are ambiguities to scrutinize when different courts (however low or high: they still have to go to law school) can interpret the laws governing things like the Patriot Act in ways that conflict.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John C., you make a valid point that Congress does hold the power to deem things &#8216;necessary and proper,&#8217; but the gray area still needing to be defined is the degree to which something can be defined as such. </p>
<p>To that end, I still don&#8217;t think that just because a legislative body deemed something &#8216;necessary and proper&#8217; at one time that that decision was valid, necessary, or proper. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not some flaming liberal here, but I think there are ambiguities to scrutinize when different courts (however low or high: they still have to go to law school) can interpret the laws governing things like the Patriot Act in ways that conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh C</title>
		<link>http://clog.dailycal.org/2007/09/17/the-clogbirgeneau-wishes-yoo-a-happy-constitution-day/#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	&lt;p&gt;Amy B., you are very correct in asserting that Congressional approval does not necessarily mean constitutionality. &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;However, the essence of being &#8220;constitutional&#8221; is conforming to the dictates of the Constitution. The constitution states plainly in the aforementioned clause that Congress &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;DOES&lt;/span&gt; have the power to make any law which is &#8220;necessary and proper.&#8221; Granted, it is fairly vague language, and that is why it is called the &#8220;elastic&#8221; clause. Nonetheless, it validates the constitutionality of the Patriot Act.&lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;And in reference to the article you linked, the ruling of one judge means virtually nothing. This is compounded by the reality that he is merely the judge for the U. S. District Court of the Southern District of New York. The Supreme Court is the real deciding group, and I can almost assure you they would rule the Patriot Act as constitutional.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy B., you are very correct in asserting that Congressional approval does not necessarily mean constitutionality. </p>
<p>However, the essence of being &#8220;constitutional&#8221; is conforming to the dictates of the Constitution. The constitution states plainly in the aforementioned clause that Congress <span class="caps">DOES</span> have the power to make any law which is &#8220;necessary and proper.&#8221; Granted, it is fairly vague language, and that is why it is called the &#8220;elastic&#8221; clause. Nonetheless, it validates the constitutionality of the Patriot Act.</p>
<p>And in reference to the article you linked, the ruling of one judge means virtually nothing. This is compounded by the reality that he is merely the judge for the U. S. District Court of the Southern District of New York. The Supreme Court is the real deciding group, and I can almost assure you they would rule the Patriot Act as constitutional.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy B.</title>
		<link>http://clog.dailycal.org/2007/09/17/the-clogbirgeneau-wishes-yoo-a-happy-constitution-day/#comment-325</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	&lt;p&gt;Hey, John C. Congress may have deemed it necessary to pass the Patriot Act, but that doesn&#8217;t make it constitutional: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6982826.stm&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, John C. Congress may have deemed it necessary to pass the Patriot Act, but that doesn&#8217;t make it constitutional: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6982826.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6982826.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josh C</title>
		<link>http://clog.dailycal.org/2007/09/17/the-clogbirgeneau-wishes-yoo-a-happy-constitution-day/#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	&lt;p&gt;Hi there, Rob. I appreciate  greatly that you actually care about the state of politics and about issues in our society today, unlike many students at Berkeley. &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;However, I take issue with your stance on &#8220;constitutionality,&#8221; as well as with your view of Professor Yoo. &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;First off, Professor Yoo is an honorable man who deserves our respect for his intellectual achievements and willingness to stand up for what he believes is right and true in the face of extensive opposition, regardless of whether we agree with the man or not.&lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;Secondly, neither John Yoo, nor Congress, nor the Executive Branch violated the constitution in writing, passing, and implementing(respectively) the Patriot Act. You may be familiar with the &#8220;necessary and proper&#8221; clause or &#8220;elastic&#8221; clause of the Constitution, which states: &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;Article I, Section 8, &#8220;Clause&#8221; 18:&lt;br /&gt;
“The Congress shall have power …To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.&#8221; &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;Congress deemed it necessary and proper, for the safety of Americans, to pass the Patriot Act. There is nothing unconstitutional in the slightest about that.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, Rob. I appreciate  greatly that you actually care about the state of politics and about issues in our society today, unlike many students at Berkeley. </p>
<p>However, I take issue with your stance on &#8220;constitutionality,&#8221; as well as with your view of Professor Yoo. </p>
<p>First off, Professor Yoo is an honorable man who deserves our respect for his intellectual achievements and willingness to stand up for what he believes is right and true in the face of extensive opposition, regardless of whether we agree with the man or not.</p>
<p>Secondly, neither John Yoo, nor Congress, nor the Executive Branch violated the constitution in writing, passing, and implementing(respectively) the Patriot Act. You may be familiar with the &#8220;necessary and proper&#8221; clause or &#8220;elastic&#8221; clause of the Constitution, which states: </p>
<p>Article I, Section 8, &#8220;Clause&#8221; 18:<br />
“The Congress shall have power …To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.&#8221; </p>
<p>Congress deemed it necessary and proper, for the safety of Americans, to pass the Patriot Act. There is nothing unconstitutional in the slightest about that.</p>
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