though the oak people annoy me, i really really detest/loathe the actions that that anti-vivisection group have been making these past years. it makes me so angry. someone really needs to protect our professors/GSIs/other researchers on campus who are being harassed by these misinformed idiots.

the majority of people these guys are harassing/terrorizing don’t even have anything to do with vivisection (aka their research may involve animals, but this could be as harmless as feeding a rat special treats every time it finished some task).

people who target issues of cruelty to animals that are as narrowed/specific to animal research at a very humane-minded university are primarily doing this because they want ‘easy targets’ to make them feel like they can actually make an impact in the world. all they’re doing is creating more grief for people who don’t deserve any. animals = food. even other animals are cruel to other animals (i.e. killer whales torturing their food before they consume it). i hope, when the oak fiasco blows over, the oak people don’t turn to the vivisection group as a new venue to flaunt stupidity. it would only prove that those individuals only join these types of groups for the attention, fun, and overall feeling of deliquency/deviancy from society.

research on campus shouldn’t be feared by students/faculty. this is, after all, a univeristy. i hope the university AND city do something to make animal researchers feel safe enough to do their job without risk of harassment.

“the majority of people these guys are harassing/terrorizing don’t even have anything to do with vivisection (aka their research may involve animals, but this could be as harmless as feeding a rat special treats every time it finished some task)”

Like whom? The targeted researchers listed on the Stop Cal Vivisection site all conduct highly invasive experiments involving distress and death to the animals experimented upon. I don’t doubt that the university is spreading this lie, as they’ve already spread misinformation about a researcher’s highly invasive experiments on songbirds, making it out to be an innocent/behavior lab.

When you engage in terrorism, people tend to be less upfront about what they do. Go figure.

I just found this pretty awsome article, The Last Patriot, that sheds some light on the first encounters america had with Jihadist back in the late 1700s. Its a really interesting article worth checking out.

“Like whom? The targeted researchers listed on the Stop Cal Vivisection site all conduct highly invasive experiments involving distress and death to the animals experimented upon. I don’t doubt that the university is spreading this lie, as they’ve already spread misinformation about a researcher’s highly invasive experiments on songbirds, making it out to be an innocent/behavior lab”

I didn’t get this information from the university.

The list of researchers on that website don’t reflect upon all the harassment that has been going on by the vivisection group. I’m not just talking about the Cal section too, but for all the UCs in general.

My research has been referred to on the stop cal vivisection website and targeted by others. I do not do invasive procedures and no animals suffer or die in my research. I study animals because I like animals and want to understand them. I am also a vegetarian. I do not believe that these extremists have the right to unilaterally make moral decisions for me or anyone else. The behavior of at least some of them constitutes terrorism. I understand they are frustrated and the use of terrorism is expedient, but it is wrong. They should instead act within the law–this is a democracy after all.

stop cal vivisection is basically a larger-scale animal rights version of the Phelps family. or at least, that’s what they remind me of when ever I hear them arranging groups to harass families.

“stop cal vivisection is basically a larger-scale animal rights version of the Phelps family. or at least, that’s what they remind me of when ever I hear them arranging groups to harass families.”

Yeah! Engaging in legal demonstrations and chalking some slogans on the sidewalk in opposition to those who kill animals (you all have still yet to name one researcher who has been opposed by Stop Cal Vivisection who conducts non-invasive or non-laboratory behavioral studies) is absolutely the same as picketing the funerals of and threatening homosexuals!

The Phelps guys engage mostly in legal demonstrations. (Animal rights terrorists get convicted on a regular basis) They don’t chase down people to their homes, or assault them, or vandalize their property. And they don’t feel the need to cover their faces. When it comes down to actual behavior, animal rights terrorists make the Phelps clan look good.

“And they don’t feel the need to cover their faces.”
This is an extremely good point.
It points out that even the SCV group knows what they’re doing is wrong. If their activities were legal/justified, they wouldn’t have to feel the need to cover their faces.

Liz:
“you all have still yet to name one researcher who has been opposed by Stop Cal Vivisection who conducts non-invasive or non-laboratory behavioral studies”
-like i would help you out. yeah right. SCV harasses people that don’t even have anything to do with “vivisection” in their research, so why give you names to go back to and harass some more? Did you not read what anonymouse said? There’s your name.

Sorry, ‘anonymouse’ is not a name. And if the name is already listed on the site and the person is already being harassed (whatever that means), how would naming the already public name give them more names?

All of the researchers listed on the Stop Cal Vivisection website conduct research on captive animals causing distress to the animals. Just because a researcher claims otherwise (without providing published papers to show their research is non-invasive behavioral research), or believes that because anesthetics are used, having a hole drilled in your skull is no big deal, does not make their claims honest.

From Merriam-Webster:
vivisection
1. the cutting of or operation on a living animal usually for physiological or pathological investigation; broadly : animal experimentation especially if considered to cause distress to the subject

If you have problems with the message and believe that no voice of contention on this issue can be justified, just say so (like the guy who stated “animals are food.”)

Anyway, I’d like to say more, but we’ll have to agree to disagree. This discussion would probably just go back and forth forever. So have the last word beetle or dsasdf (so much for anonymity being the hallwark of those on the wrong side of the law, oh upstanding one)

Most of us consider vandalism and assault to be part of harassment. Whatever that means.

Anyway, my name is Justin Azadivar, and and most folks around here know that, but being ignorant probably doesn’t bother you. I guess I’ll take the not-very-courageous step of being opposed to terrorism by name. Faced with criticism of your terrorism, you decide the pretend that the issue is your message, not your attempts to force people to change their political viewpoint by causing them distress. So flee if you will, but “agree to disagree” is pretty silly when it comes to terrorism.

“Sorry, ‘anonymouse’ is not a name.”
Anonymouse is the chosen screenname that that person wishes to be known as by the people reading these comments. It’s a name and a person, someone who has had first hand experience of being targed by SCV and whom you chose to ignore as a witness to SCV’s harassment.

“All of the researchers listed on the Stop Cal Vivisection website conduct research on captive animals causing distress to the animals.”
You DO realize that websites can be changed, right? And that not all the activities of a group (especially one that aims to make people change their ways via fear) are posted online for all the world/cops to see?

Even so, what these anti-’vivisection’ groups are doing is wrong, no matter who it is they target.

“so much for anonymity being the hallwark of those on the wrong side of the law, oh upstanding one”
You’re one to talk too. “Liz”. Also, this is the Internet. Why should I bother typing something coherent in the required name box when a;lksdfjsld will suffice?

Anyway, the issue here is the very unpleasant actions of SCV. If they really wanted progression, they would not be harassing whole FAMILIES into doing what ever it is they wanted. It’s really juvenile, what they’re doing. Almost anyone can see that.

The reason I am not going to tell you my name is because I am AFRAID.

My research was targeted on the SCV website, although my name is not on there. (The people who put up the information are somewhat ignorant of the processes involved in research. I know for a fact that some of the photographs are not from the labs they are supposedly from.) Even though my research is noninvasive and also does not involve great apes, other people (not SCV, as far as I know) targeted it because some people simply object to animals in captivity for any reason—meat production, milk production, honey production, zoos, education, pets, noninvasive behavioral research, any reason. I think that is an extreme position—one that is given political power through terrorism, not democratic means. If you eat meat (which I don’t do), eat any animal products (yum, honey), have pets (none here), wear leather (not me), go to zoos (love them), or anything else that involves animals, YOU are in danger from terrorists.

SCV may claim to be nonviolent, but there certainly are people who would use the information they provide for violent terrorism. Terrorism of people and their families, children. If SCV does not want to be associated with this terrorism, they should denounce it. As should PETA. No one should contribute to any organization that does not denounce the use of terrorism in reaching political goals—be those goals animal rights, stopping abortion, promoting the adoption of religion by the government, or whatever. Terrorism is terrorism.

I think if I gave you my name, it would be up on the site. I would probably be labeled an “apologist” for vivisectionists and people would come to terrorize my family straight away. Is that the kind of world you want to live in?